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Transgender Trope #1- You should educate yourself on the subject

April 12, 2011

This trope states that trans questioners or critics must simply be uninformed. The most dismissive and base of engagement avoidance tactics and a favorite of trans. “If you disagree with me you must not know what you are talking about”. The truth is feminist critics of transsexuality tend to be highly informed on matters of gender including those of the trans variety.

Among the general public this works well as a shaming conversation stopper. The general public is very uninformed about transgenderism and wants to be supportive of what they erroneously perceive as an offshoot of gays and lesbians. So trans can easily silence/shame their questions by implying ignorance, or throwing up a bunch of cut-and paste scientific sounding links. Sends the general public into withdraw from the discussion which is “over their head”. Works remarkably well to make the general public feel stupid and to ignore all their instincts. Doesn’t work on radfems though. Radfems not only disregard the demands of males to comply to their assigned reading but they’ve probably already read it and heard the same failed arguments a thousand times. When radfems respond with knowledge far beyond that of the trope user, it usually sends the genderist reeling towards another handy trope.

Variations:

“You should read up on it”

“Read the following ten academic studies, parse them, and respond to them in detail to me”

“You say you read it but if you draw different conclusions you must not have actually read it”

Subtext:

It’s too complicated for you to understand (you’re stupid)

Classification: Conversation Ender, Insult, Patronization, Obedience Demand, Deflection

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25 Comments leave one →
  1. parallel permalink
    June 21, 2011 8:47 am

    a shaming conversation stopper

    This is the main weapon used in pro-trans arguments. Shakesville, for instance, is an absolute pit of “keep in line or we will shame you (while pretending to be a safe space that puts up trigger warnings for “gender essentialism”)”.

    There was an example a while back where the post referenced an article as being sent in by Dr Jane(*) and later on mentioned that the author was Dr John. Then some poor woman in the comments referred to Dr Jane and how she had written a good article. The trans bullies then descended and staring having a go at the commenter for “misgendering” the author and how dare she “misgender” the author and how terrible this was. Well, first off the commenter hadn’t “misgendered” the author at all,she had read that the article was sent in by Jane and assumed that she was the author. That was the mistake. (ie she was not calling John a “she”)

    But she was hauled over the coals by the trans bullies, and you could practically see the target wilting and grovelling how she wasn’t transphobic and how she so needed to check her privilege and so on.

    Shame shame shame.

    (*) I can’t remember exact names, but this is the gist of it

  2. December 5, 2011 3:17 am

    Hi All, No matter how a trans person alters their appearance, with surgeries and hormones, the person is always their unaltered sex. This is because they still have their original chromosomes-either XX or XY. Nothing can change this.

  3. Sick of Assholes permalink
    July 9, 2012 11:27 am

    You’re all fucking morons. Live and let live, you cowardly bitches. How do trans people affect your miserable existence? You’re a pox on humanity and you need to enlighten yourselves.

    • anyc permalink
      November 14, 2012 10:08 am

      Why do the commenters who claim we are bigots and assholes ALWAYS lose control at the drop of a hat and call us “bitches”, proving the very misogyny they claim they don’t embody? (hence our very real and valid assessment of them as MEN). Do you NOT realize how you shoot yourselves in the feet?

      • Nina permalink
        September 29, 2016 5:21 pm

        Because their sexism and illogic is so ingrained that they don’t understand the irony of calling us subhuman (“bitches”, “a pox on humanity”) for saying things like, “calling a male a man is not actually dehumanization”.

        Much like the people who say that statements like “men are male” is somehow a form of violence, then follow it up with explicit rape and death threats.

  4. Sara permalink
    July 29, 2012 11:47 pm

    what a bigoted pig, you’re a fool, and all you waste your time doing is dwelling on your own hate. It’s pathetic.

  5. Bilbo permalink
    August 22, 2012 11:09 pm

    How can someone “live and let live” if they’re constantly being attacked?

  6. Sick of Assholes permalink
    September 17, 2012 12:01 pm

    Oh PLEASE, Bilbo….so you’re saying the TRANS community is constantly attacking the lesbian community??? You are delusional. This is a classic case of the oppressed looking to become the oppressors. So hypocritical for lesbians to invalidate the trans experience when gays have been fighting to overcome that very issue themselves! How about some SOLIDARITY instead of redirecting the persecution and hate toward a different minority group? This is just a very sad and misguided group of people that represents the fundamental flaws of society. No one’s struggle is as important as YOUR OWN, right??? And by the way, I AM a lesbian with close ties to BOTH the gay and trans communities.

    • September 20, 2012 2:10 am

      Dear Sick- thanks for book-marking my site. I’m glad this site is important to you.

      I do have to dispute your assertion that female homosexuals are somehow hypocritical for rejecting sex-roles and a social sex hierarchy (with men on top and women on the bottom if it needs stating). Homosexuality is by its nature a rejection of heteronormativity. No hypocrisy in that. Lesbians are by our nature rejecting of sexism, misogyny and female-hatred. It is not hypocritical for feminists and homosexuals to reject gender ideology. Quite the opposite!

      You say “So hypocritical for lesbians to invalidate the trans experience when gays have been fighting to overcome that very issue themselves!”

      Lesbians and gays have fought to overcome sexist and homophobic social tropes. Transgenderism is based on, and seeks to codify socially and politically, those sexist tropes. Do you actually know any gay people?

      The fact that homosexuals and genderists are at odds and have no “solidarity” has to do with the fact that our movements are oppositional. Lesbians and gays seek freedom from sex-role stereotypes. Transgenderists seek to inculcate them socially and politically. Transgenderism is inherently homophobic. Fighting sexism and homophobia is not “oppressive” to male supremacy. Fighting the powers that be is not “oppressive” to the rulers. Categorizing feminists and homosexuals as “ a very sad and misguided group of people that represents the fundamental flaws of society.” Is the language of right wing homophobes and misogynists. Also the language of dudes who shoot a bunch of people.

      Gays, Lesbians, Feminists do NOT “represent a fundamental flaw of society”. Challenges to male supremacy are not a “flaw”. Rather, we are a liberation movement. One comprised of women, lesbians, gays that is in total opposition to your sexist homophobic movement of hate.

      Please stop hating women and gays.

      You’ve referred to lesbians and feminists in previous comments as “pigs”, “morons” and “a pox on humanity”. Maybe it’s time to admit you have a problem. That’s why you keep coming back here after all.

    • Jen permalink
      April 25, 2014 2:23 am

      Annnddd…you’re a MAN. You argue like a man. You all argue like men. You think we can’t see that, but as REAL WOMEN it’s very obvious.

  7. roopa permalink
    December 29, 2012 5:05 am

    gallus, thank you for the really interesting post. i have found it enlightening reading.
    because of the way it’s set up i read from 10 down to 1 so i apologise if my comment to “men don’t have vaginas” looks like #1, ‘you are incompletely acquainted with the facts’
    in general i agree with you

  8. Raquel permalink
    January 13, 2013 12:52 am

    Hi, just read some of the tropes, so I thought I’d leave another version of “You should educate yourself”: “You should get to know some trans people” Or at least some that are not jerks.
    You seem to think that all trans people are like the SHBs, who try to reinforce gender stereotypes (or sex-roles, name them as you want) Not every trans man tries to be the Marlboro Man nor every trans woman tries to be a submissive housewife.

    And I’m curious about something: What are your opinions on genderqueer people or anyone that refuses to identify with any gender? I’m guessing you would like them to announce their cromosomic configuration when being introduced to anyone, but other than that, are you comfortable with their behaviour?

  9. Letalis permalink
    August 1, 2013 2:06 pm

    As a person who is considering transiitoning and has a gay brother, and a bisexual cousin. the bottom line is, why would you fight this war against transgendered people? transgenders simply have have a mismatched set of feelings within them. their genetics and their mind are not in sync. they seek to simply match those things as close as possible so that they do not have to fall within a gender role they are not comfortable with. it is true that there are some that you see that are MtF’s that still dress and act like drag queens and could potentially drag down the feminist movement in doing so. but not all of them do. to press that stereotypicial view upon all transexuals is no better than being a skinhead, a klan member, or even a nazi.

    im sure that transgendered people dont like the fact that because they wish for their gender roles to be different that they are considered gay or lesbians just trying to be a wolf in sheeps clothing. in my case, I am a straight male. but ive always felt different, seen things differently and because of my gender role that part of me has to totally lie dormant because as a male i am expected certain things, just as a woman is expected certain things. is it right? whose to say? personally? i think that the pressures placed upon women to fall within a certain archetype is terrible really. but guys whether they know it or not have it almost as bad. we have to be a total pillar of strength all the time. to show weakness or vulnerability of any kind is a show of weakness. and weakness in a man period is bad. that means that when we are sad or depressed or feeling low, we have to suppress it. gay men overcome that obstacle but see how theyre treated? just as lesbians are looked at as being butch feminists wearing doc martins and a flannel. its wrong, but people fear what they dont understand. and what you are doing here is just as detrimental to what the outside people do the LGBT community in general. you are no better than the people youre trying to educate.

    simply put, in a perfect world, the archetype of gender roles wouldnt exist. but this world is far from perfect. in this bashing of transgendered people you are essentially destroying all credibility that you hope to achieve within the feminist movement. Martin Luther King Jr. fought for the equality of african americans and never said an unkind word in doing so. he died for what he believed in. he didnt have a internet platform to hide behind to spread hate filled propaganda that is essentially destroying the point youre trying to make. transgendered people are not usurpers of gender. they wish to look in the mirror each and every day and be happy with what they see. they with to be unshackled from the constraints that their gender role places upon the person within them and ultimately find peace within themselves. is that such a horrible thing to want for anybody? sure, there will be other obstacles to face redefining as another gender role, but in going through the trials and tribulations of acceptance within society. dont you think people in this situation who are willing to gamble and go all the way deserve some credit in taking the banner of their inner gender? I think so.

    its thinking like this that makes me wonder why witch burnings arent still carried out and a legal practice.

    Letalis

    • Jen permalink
      April 25, 2014 2:26 am

      Because radical feminists think “gender” is an oppressive hierarchy. Seriously, read before you post.

  10. Kelli permalink
    April 26, 2015 12:28 pm

    I am just curious. How far does the radical feminists view of opposition of gender stereotypes go? On one swing of the pendulum I can clearly see how 5 inch stilettos and mini skirts are a social construct that is a cartoonish view of feminine. So what is acceptable attire for a female? Should there be a men’s and women’s section in stores at all?

    • April 26, 2015 12:58 pm

      No there should not. The full range of clothing should available to all and not divided by reproductive sex categories.

  11. stchauvinism permalink
    May 4, 2015 8:33 pm

    Reblogged this on Stop Trans Chauvinism.

  12. March 12, 2017 1:54 am

    Do you really need to “educate yourself”? The implication is that only the enlightened intellectuals understand that a boy can be a girl, the rest of us are all too stupid. This is not complicated. A boy cannot be a girl. But it’s considered old-fashioned to believe that.- aps

  13. Fred permalink
    March 20, 2017 9:33 pm

    This argument is used when bigots attack lesbians and gays, women, the unemployed, immigrants, people of color and so on.
    What are you implying?

  14. March 21, 2017 1:17 am

    I was told to “educate myself” and thus started a long course of reading books and internet posts and comments both pro, anti, and just questioning of the trans narrative. I was pretty uninformed before being told that it is too much work for a trans person to educate me. After doing all this reading, I tried to engage said trans person in a conversation, but that person had only read pro-trans narratives from the trans community. This trans person had not even read trans positive mainstream media articles from the New York Times or Dan Savage. It turns out that I was far more educated than this person after a few months and also this trans person did not at all appreciate my questions or comments if they did not 100% support the usual trans narrative. So, now this trans person will not even talk to me because I developed the wrong opinions and asked the wrong questions after educating myself.

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